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Korros

Defense Industry Proposal

To the nations of Yggdrasil:

The Imperium wishes to establish an understanding on the acceptability of the sale of weaponized chemicals to other nations. Whether this is considered an appropriate revenue source or not, we feel all nations should be on the same page about this.

Any opinions on this matter would be appreciated.

Incidentally, to the Goddess Relief Office, the Emperor thought the cake was delicious.

Junichiro Maeda

Foreign Minister

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In reply to the Foreign Minster of Korros:

"We, the The Holy Imperial Empire of CLANNADIA wholly opposes the sale of ANY kind of chemical weapons, let alone building them. Such weapons can only serve to wipe out the entire human race with impunity! We would rather see you offer medical technology."

Our two-cents~~ :salute:

Lord Jeff.A (BN RN)

Chief Consulate general of CLANNADIA / Minister of Lore

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Dear Foreign Minister Junichiro Maeda,

We do not condone the use of chemical weapons as they have a tendency to cause far more damage than is originally meant. Furthermore, they are a barbaric weapon that slowly murders innocent lives, and those who do not die are often crippled for life. The sale of your weapons within our nation is entirely unacceptable. The fact that you have large quantities of these weapons is cause for great concern. We shall allow no importation of such weapons into our nation and highly recommend you switch to some other form of revenue.

With Kind Regards

(We're watching you),

Tsar Alexander

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Minister Maeda,

It is the position of Blackandgold that all nations have the right to trade in whatever resources and products they choose if the market for such products exists. As I know of no binding international law prohibiting the sale of weaponized chemicals in this region then it is my understanding that you are free to sell if you can find a buyer. Keep in mind however that should these chemicals be used in any offensive or hostile manner, the international community will likely hold Korros just as responsible as the belligerent party. The long term penalties that ensue may not justify the short term profits you may derive from such a sale.

For the record, while Blackandgold has no need for weaponized chemicals we are willing to discuss other economic agreements between our nations.

Regards,

Dominic Grayson

Director, Foreign Affairs

Vinland National

Republic of Blackandgold

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With regards to Director Grayson's discussion of a supplier's responsibility for subsequent chemical warfare, the Imperium does not see how it could be held legally responsible for another nation's use of chemical weapons, any more than it being held responsible when another nation goes to war using Korrosan assault rifles. This is particularly true considering Yggdrasil's stringent position on the primacy of national and regional sovereignty. Now, obviously no one would ever intend to sell such weapons to non-governmental groups. But nations are the ones responsible for their conduct.

Min. Maeda

Edited by Korros

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Minister Maeda,

I suggest that you take note of the responses made to your proposal by the nations of Clannadia and Tyrtania. I can assure you that the nature of those statements are shared by the majority of the international community in this region. You may try to compare chemical weapons with assault rifles, however the sale of guns would hardly engender the same response as the proliferation of chemical warfare. Nations can purchase guns from anywhere or manufacture their own, this is not the case with weapons of mass destruction. The two are not the same in the eyes of the international community, a fact which I am certain you are aware of otherwise you would not have brought this issue up to begin which. Notice that I do not speak as to whether or not it is right or fair for one nation to be tried for another's actions, I am only pointing out that in this type of situation that is precisely what will happen. For any nation to think otherwise would be naive and foolish.

Regards,

Dominic Grayson

Director, Foreign Affairs

Vinland National

Republic of Blackandgold

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Director Grayson,

With regards to the sentiment of the international community, the purpose of this discussion was to determine Yggdrasil's overall concern, not other regions. That is why I broached the subject. The fact that 3 of 200+ nations have responded does not a consensus make. Perhaps the majority of Yggdrasil does not favor chemical weapon sales. We will see.

With regards to the destructive potential of chemical weapons, they have already been widely used in a major war. Mankind was not wiped out (in fact, they were largely ineffective since the technology was very crude). As to the killing of innocent civilians, any nation that uses said weapons on civilians could be subject to war crime charges, same as if they firebombed civilians.

To go back to the other point about national responsibility, I do not think there is a set precedent. Most case studies involving restriction of sales involve "rogue states" who are feared to sell such weapons to NGOs. State-to-state sales do occur. The Imperium does not see where it would bear liability.

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Minister Maeda,

It has come to the attention of the Public Servants of Zybodia that you are considering the sale of chemical weapons. This distresses us greatly. Chemical weapons, as I am sure you are aware, are a terrible and inhumane weapon, and were they ever to be used in Yggdrasil, irreversible harm could be done to the beautiful environment and people of our region.

Please be advised that, although we will not make any immediate efforts to block your selling of said weapons, if they ever become used to further the cause of war, whether actively or merely by threat of use, we will make every effort to make sure they are taken off the market forever.

R. M. Yarym, Liaison

Zybodian Foreign Relations Department

Zybodian Military Department

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In reply to the Honourable Foreign Minster Maeda of Korros:

Reiterating our stance, the People of the CLANNADIC Empire wholeheartedly opposes the concept of chemical weapons production for the only reason that it's a indiscrimate weapon that unleash death and misery on every living thing, not to mention the long lasting effects on the enviroment and the people effected (persistant disease, genetic mutations, etc.), if it be utilised in conventional warfare and it's production can only lead to a new arms race which will destablise the entire region. It can not be classified with assault rifle OR artillery for that matter, because it's a weapon of MASS destruction which cannot be compared AT ALL with the two.

To say that it's crude, yes it HAS been crude and not-so-effective but it WILL get better, technology always evolve to new kinds, same for chemical / biological weapons, who is to say that mass deployment of such weapon cannot end with a nuclear hohcaust style scenario? Should it be sold to NGO's esp. terrorists/freedom fighters, who is to say that they will use it "wisely" (Rarely have we been rational in times of distress)? In fact nations will sell it to NGOs JUST to destabilse rival nations.

Responsibilty? Who ever GAVE them the weapon to use. In a nuclear warfare, the user is first blamed, then it quickly shifts to WHO gave them it. Thus, same for all WMDs.

There are much better ways to maintain national defense / protecting your economy without bringing in a atmosphere of fear to everyone else.

Thus,

1) We OPPOSE this whole concept. AND any other form of WMD's

2) We (or anybody as of this day) cannot oppose you FROM doing it, but we can WARN you and let you know of our position which what we're doing now.

3) If there's ANY attack on CLANNADIC territory or her allies as a result of your weapon whether from the hands of "NGOs" or formal nations, rest assured that the armed might of the Empire will do "everything" to make the weapon to be nothing more but a page in a history book.

4) We are willing to negoisate other military treaties and trade.

Thus, our formal stance.

In Her Majesty's Name~

Lord Field Marshal Jeff.A (BN RN)

Chief Consulate general of CLANNADIA

Commander of Kobato Peacekeeping Corps

Member of the National Defense Commission

Edited by CLANNADIA

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The Imperium believes that several issues are being conflated in this discussion. As such, we wish to clarify:

1) There has been mention of nuclear or biological weapons. Neither has ever been offered for sale by Korros. As such, it is flawed to mention hysteria-riddled doomsday scenarios involving them, especially by nations who have admitted to developing uranium for "defense purposes."

2) Also mentioned was the spectre of NGOs buying the weapons. The Imperium has specifically stated that chemical weapons would only be sold to other states. Again these arguments are not based on the actual circumstances exist.

Now, with regards to the sale of weapons, several governments have expressed their displeasure. Only one nation has expressed the desire for a regional ban, and only implicitly. This is the matter we wish to resolve. Should their be a region-wide ban on sales?

Min. Maeda

Edited by Korros

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In reply to the Honourable Foreign Minster Maeda of Korros:

After further consultation:

1) Chemical weapons, REMAINs a WMD in CLANNADIA's Point-of-view, and all possible doomsday scenarios still exists should an arms race begins due to possible proliferation. Seeking an understanding, still mentions the INTENT of production of said weapons, however CLANNADIA retracts all comments about Korros undertaking current production or sales and apologies for the misinterpretation. Our "defense purposes" will only affect in munitions, portable power generation and armour research, specific details cannot be given citing our national security.

As said CLANNADIA will oppose any form of WMD production, externally OR internally.

2) That's true, but who may not say that these nations will not do the same to a 'third' party? If used in ANYway and by ANYone, should it cause a disaster, all eyes will be on it's production (besides the party that uses it).

3) Consideration of banning?

Our stance remains as of our last telegram.

In Her Majesty's Name~

Lord Field Marshal Jeff.A (BN RN)

Chief Consulate general of CLANNADIA

Commander of Kobato Peacekeeping Corps

Member of the National Defense Commission

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In reference to Lord Field Marshal's communique:

-There is an entry in the our national wikipedia thread from 10/21/09 that discusses Korrosan WMD stockpiles.

-With regards to lethality of WMD, the Imperium believes that even with WMDs, there are grades of destruction. In our opinion, biological weapons, while notoriously unreliable, are the most dangerous because there is no control measure for it once released, even across borders. Nuclear weapons are the next most dangerous because of the potential to leave long-term radiation in the area, not to mention radioactive fallout carried by the wind. Chemical weapons, while having the potential to be carried by wind, generally disperse or can break down chemically after a given time period. This is why we view comparisons between the three as inaccurate.

-To further clarify, Korros does not intend to sell strategic-scale chemical munitions or agents. The saleable hardware would be mortar- or artillery-fired rounds. Destructive? Yes. But hardly apocalyptic.

-With regards to nations giving the weapons to NGOs, that seems to be indicative of a problem with the sponsoring government. The Imperium recognizes that a certain due diligence may be required when selling the items, but again, we don't see our liability extending beyond that.

-As the issue has been debated and 1) no ban exists 2) every discussing nation, even those morally opposed to such sales, have confirmed the right to sell said weapons, the Imperium believes that this constitutes a regional tolerance of chemical weapons sales. We recognize that such sales are view negatively by some nations, and hope that the spirit of discussion and debate displayed in this matter will hold in future discussion.

Min. Maeda

Edited by Korros

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A prepared response from several members of the Epaiteian government, including:

Mr Stylianos, Minister for Foreign Affairs;

Mr Tasia, Minister for the Home Dept;

Mr Stathis, Minister for Health;

Mr Lefteris, Minister for Business;

Admiral Paraskevi, Minister for Defence;

and Ms Silas, Minister for the Environment.

To Mr Maeda, Minister for Foreign Affairs of Korros,

We are grateful that you saw the need to bring this proposition to the region before engaging in the selling of chemical weapons. It shows a sensitivity to the nature of the trade you are suggesting and we are appreciative of that. The selling of weaponised chemicals should, however, be banned within the region of Yggdrasil. The right to sell any resource is one important to many of us, and the point was raised several times during our discussions on this matter, particularly by Mr Lefteris. Despite this the nature of the damage weaponised chemicals are capable of cannot be ignored. Although explosive weapons are by no means encouraged; a hole in the ground can be refilled, trees can be replanted. Chemical weaponry, however, leaves a scar on the landscape which cannot be mended in several lifetimes. The toll on the human population within the area of a chemical attack is also unacceptable, leaving its mark for several generations.

In a peaceable region such as Yggdrasil the need for such weapons are negligible; nations who feel claustrophobic in their given territory are encouraged to look to the stars rather than their neighbours. It may be said that weaponry is necessary in order to quell coups and resist rebellions, but the consensus among those of us at this discussion is that any leader willing to use chemical weaponry within their own borders clearly does not deserve to lead. If you wish to sell to anybody, I suggest you approach the Yggdrasil Defense Service, although I expect you will receive much the same response there as you have here.

As for the matter of responsibility, you are right when you say that the buyer and user of the weapons should take blame. Blame, however, is not a finite resource, but an infinite one. It can be applied wherever one sees fit, and the seller of the weaponry should also certainly be answerable for their actions. When selling weaponised chemicals, one must remember that the clue is in the title - these chemicals are weapons, and will only ever be used for one purpose i.e. the taking of life. The seller of those chemicals cannot feign ignorance as to the purpose of the resource they are selling, and must be aware of what that sale will result in viz. the taking of life.

For these reasons, this council of Epaiteian governmental ministers suggests that the sale of weaponised chemicals should be banned within the region of Yggdrasil.

Diabazo Grafo, sec'y pp

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The Federation of Gallannium too agrees that the possession of WMD's should not be allowed, but we do believe that the expansion of armaments is necessary to keep your nation safe, but allowing yourself to create WMD's is going too far.

Gallanium Defence counsellor

Marcus Garn

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In regards to:

Junichiro Maeda, Foreign Minister of Karros,

Northwasten will not tolerate either the development, or use of Chemical weaponry. The difference between the sale of WMDs and small arms, lies in it's use. While small arms can be used for national defense, policing, and personal and sporting use, chemical weaponry can only be used for mass destruction, wiping out both military personnel and innocent civilians alike.

We move that Yggdrasil should restrict the sales of Chemical weaponry, and that Korros find another source of revenue.

Sincerely,

Bjorn Wodinnson, Northwasten Minister of Defense.

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